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Held a door open for a lady in store yesterday and got a torrent of accusations of sexism. What happened? When did it become wrong to be courteous? Is chivlary dead and if so how did it die?

PaxAmerica
9 months ago
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Lynibis

Jackscot I bet if you had not done your good deed and just left her to it, everyone around would have thought badly of you. It's hard to know what to do these days.

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hky

Jackscot wow, that's so weird. I wonder if these types of people would do the same if a woman or child opened the door for them, or just someone who seems less capable of door opening (seriously - some doors can be heavy).

Sometimes I think it's the area people live in that have such unhealthy trends/education/exposure. I've only seen this kind of thing in the news, not in my area. It'll usually be a thanks and move on.

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kimcress

People just have no manners nowadays. I’ll hold a door open if people are behind me etc, sometimes I’ve had people hold doors for me coming in/out shops.

Seems common curtesy is dying out.

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PaxAmerica

kimcress Exactly. You summed it up perfectly

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hky

kimcress Yes, I agree. Plus, it'd be kinda rude to drop the door on someone behind you.

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kimcress

hky very, I do say thanks to ones who hold the door and usually get a thanks in return when holding doors. Just being polite is no warrant for abuse.

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kimcress

PaxAmerica it’s just being polite, which some people lack.

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jms19

I think most people would accept that as a nice gesture and you definitely shouldn’t let one person stop you from doing it.

I hold the door open for women, men, children and animals.

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PaxAmerica

jms19 Love it.... I can picture a duck goin into Tesco as you hold the door for it Image

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Jackscot

PaxAmerica, thank you. I did think to myself she was a nutter and it did not get me down

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PaxAmerica

Jackscot Image Be militant and do it I say

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JLouM

I always appreciate doors being held open for me by anyone. Some feminists are extreme. But equally I would also hold a door open for a man if it was sensible. I think it’s a common sense issue. I wouldn’t let a door go in someone’s face. If it was a situation where you are in front and they are completely capable some women may take offence at this. I wouldn’t though.

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hky

JLouM Yep, definitely agree. I also think it's just common sense.

Yrs ago though, I kept the door open for a middle-aged/elderly man behind me once, but he was actually a little too far away so he had to do that little awkward run, whilst I awkwardly held the door that was kinda heavy for me, regretting my decision 😅 - I made that person run for no reason 😓.

But he thanked me and gave me a massive smile that I still vaguely remember his face.

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Jackscot

PaxAmerica will do thank you

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Leannexxx

I appreciate it when someone opens the door and they always get a thank you as I would expect one back when I do the same doesn't happen tho

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Jackscot

Leannexxx, I had to keep calm because I had my son with me

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Leannexxx

Jackscot I see your a better person than I am because I would have said something back probably in a nice way if I had my kids with me

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hky

Jackscot 😮 that's even worse, why would they yell such horrible things right next a child. Did you just ignore it/keep quiet and walk away? Did she wheel through the door you had open?

I'd like to ask them how it makes you racist etc, but it'd be more effort to argue than it's worth.

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Lynibis

Yes it is and it's the fault of the feminists. I really don't understand why they are so hard line and make it awful for the rest of us. I personally love it if a man is courteous and I always smile and say thank you.

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Jackscot

Lynibis, thank you

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Jackscot

Leannexxx no offence, but I grew up within the church, so we were told to be peaceful all the time

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Jackscot

hky she was a colored woman

And she went through the door

I keep my cool

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PaxAmerica

Jackscot Not sure what you mean by that?

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Lynibis

PaxAmerica if you read the comments above you will see. He just held the door and she called him racist. Tbh if he hadn't held the door she would have had more reason to call him racist.

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hky

Jackscot hmm, if she was that offended she could have refused your kind offer and reopened the door herself.

Gosh, that lady was being racist to you.

I have heard in really busy asian countries like Japan, they don't do British courtesy like some thank you's and keeping doors open, but they'd usually be surprised and happy when it happens.

(btw you forgot the @ for tagging names so we don't get a notification from your reply)

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PaxAmerica

Lynibis 😆oh tahnx for that clarification. As I said it could be mental health, you understand how that works right?

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Lynibis

hky even easier to just click reply and it does it for you and directly answers the one you are replying to.

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PaxAmerica

hky "Gosh, that lady was being racist to you", how do you figure that out? She may be being a rude ignoramous maybe 😆 though

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Lynibis

PaxAmerica so sorry but I am really not sure what you meant when you said not sure what you mean by that.

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hky

PaxAmerica By calling someone racist, she's pointing out that she's coloured and he's not, whilst abusing him when door opening has nothing to do with race; isn't that racism in itself, even if she's ignorant?

Lots of racism does come from ignorance - most don't know they're being racist.

She's also using racism as a tool to abuse someone.

I personally think when people explode with 'you're racist' with no sound argument, when the other party hasn't really done anything, they're being racist whilst trying to blame someone else for being racist.

(the word 'ignorant' is starting to look funny after ignoramus😆 - I thought people made the word up when I was younger)

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hky

PaxAmerica It is also mental health since her brain is evidently unhealthy for exploding anyway

- there's an American doctor that's scanned 100s/1000s of brains that shows the brain is unhealthy for people who act/think badly.

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eyeballkerry

My husband always opens doors for me which I always appreciate. I have no problems anyone opening a door for me. What I do hate is when people ‘drop’ the door on you, no manners.

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hky

eyeballkerry Ah, yes, the door drop - I hate it when it's a heavier door and also ones you can't tell if it's push or pull - it's probably both but I'm too weak to do either so I greatly appreciate anyone opening the door - it also saves me from embarrassment 😄.

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eyeballkerry

hky That is embarrassing when you push and it should be a pull. Why can’t all doors be automatic, be so much easier.

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Jackscot

Thank you, everyone

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martinlufc5637

No chivalry is not dead, not to me anyway, I always hold doors open ect.. blame the snowflakes

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Mango4

As I man I never know what to do for the best anymore , last year I gave up my seat on a train to a lady stood with bags, and rather than accept the seat, she made me feel like I was doing something wrong by offering it . I find it's just best not to bother at all now, some women like it. others think your patronizing and others are just defensive and rude .

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JLouM

Mango I know, some are so ungrateful or find offence but we are not all like that. I would definitely appreciate it. Maybe before giving up your seat just ask then they can either accept or refuse and you won’t lose your seat if refused. It must be confusing trying to do the right thing.

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Mango4

JLouM Quite so ,I know it's not everyone that's what makes it so confusing , but it would certainly make me think twice before offering someone a seat again, in fact I probably wouldn't bother.

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RegularComper91

As a woman, I wouldn't expect someone to hold the door open for me just because of my gender. However, it is still a nice gesture and I would smile and say thank you. Personally, I would hold the door open for anyone, male or female, young or old. There is no need for rudeness.

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LHP118

Ah, Chivalry is not dead... You continue being a gentleman. You made the mistake of thinking you were holding the door open for a 'lady'!

I keep doors open for everyone after me...

Be you! You're perfect! Not your fault if others aren't!

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MelissaLee1

Some chap opened a door in front of me once and I thanked him.He just launched back with a tirade of foul invective calling me fat and old and that he didn't do it for me!I hold doors open for men and women and still call men Sir if I don't know them.Some of us out here still respect kind thoughtful behaviour the rest can take a hike.

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Consumer

I don't think it's wrong to be courteous. I appreciate things like having a door held open as a nice gesture!

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didbygraham

Some people will always be on the look out for things to upset them. Best to ignore them as most people are greatful for having doors held open for them. To me its just natural to hold doors open for anyone - regardless of gender / age etc.

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stevea808

I hold the door open for anyone, doesn't matter whether they're old, young ,man or women. It's just being polite like I was brought up to be.

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beccatavender

I had a door held open for me yesterday by a young boy/man and I thought manners weren't dead. Don't let someone who has a chip on their shoulder stop you showing manners. I open doors for people it's just good manners nothing to do with gender.

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jamesrobertkerr

That's because women killed it and voted for third-world barbarians to illegally replace you. Keep holding those doors open though. Such a gentleman. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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KAW18

Id like people to open doors but doesn't happen any more. Just no manners. Abit like when you move to let someone pass when your walking on a pavement then there come over and bang into you on purpose. Or in a shop won't ask politely for you to move so can reach a item on a shelf will just push you out of the way. I could go on but I won't. Just no respect any more it's really sad.

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SallyBevins

Not quite, my son was bought up to respect everyone and everything. Unfortunately I do feel he only shares this with a small amount of other people. I'm hopeful we can turn this back to respecting each other in the future.

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janphoenix51

SallyBevins ...My daughter was brought up to respect people she respects people who respect her,if they don't then they don't get her respect..

Daughter goes out of her way,always helpful...x

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