When Do a Mother's Human Rights End and a Baby's Begin?
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You all know my job by now and i have spoken recently about a boy (now 7) in care and the lack of discipline as he is aggressive and violent to every member of staff (kicking, hitting and throwing) while his mother does nothing and if you dare say anything you get a vile tirade from her. He copies her behaviour but his 2 year old brother is a sweetie and yet to become like his brother, but I expect he will.
I knew the mother as a teen when i supervised her contacts with her first baby. She now, in mid twenties, has 5 children and I have just heard she is pregnant again.
This one will go through the care system too and cost the taxpayer yet more money. Surely by now her human rights to have children has been more than exceeded and it is time we thought of babies having the right to be brought into a loving, nurturing environment?
It's not a popular consensus but indira Ghandi's mass sterilizing programme to prevent unwise or unwanted pregnancies had the desired effect.
In the UK after every birth new mums are asked what is your contraception method of choice from now? Why is this frequent flyer sliping through the net?
In theory you’re probably right but practically how would such a thing be enforced. Also it’s dangerous to have other people’s opinions have that much of an impact on people’s lives (i say that having worked in mental health for about a decade and seeing some pretty shocking decisions being made on behalf of the patients)
Five children, she needs to keep away from Boris. I think society let her down if she can not care for them.
I so called friend had 8 kids by 3 different dad's she gave them all up it wasn't all in one go every time she got we a new man she would have kids and when the relationship ended she would use her kids to get at there dad's then give them up I'm no longer friends with this woman she makes me sick she should have been done when she gave one of them up it's the same with my sister in law she had her 3 girls taken from her she had every opportunity to get them back and she didn't so my mother in law has them she had to fight in court to get them god knows where they would be if she didn't get them
Leannexxx yes me too. I had mine when contraception was not as easily available as it is now, and still more than a little shameful to be seen at the family planning clinic. There should still be walk in clinics dispensing advice and aids.
However, when I recently had this discussion with a friend they quite rightly reminded me that many of these feckless parents have all these kids in order to get more benefits. I am sure they're right but why would you want a houseful of kids needing care food and clothing which would use up that money anyway!
Lynibis I think it was like that when I was a kid there was loads of teenagers pregnant I don't think it's like that now you will find it's mostly adults that keep popping them out if covid never happened I probably wouldn't have had another one in all honesty being locked it got me thinking if anything was to happen to us my oldies one would be in this world on her own so that made me change my mind only wish I done it sooner when I was little younger that's only because it really did take it out of me
Leannexxx "friend had 8 kids by 3 different dads"
That's a serious problem right there.
When people want to drive, what do they do? Take their driver's license (there are some who buy them and others who just drive without one) so something similar should be applied as it's a human life and should be cherished.
PhilipMarc I didn't know she had that many kids when I became friends with her she only had one then more followed I only found out about all the others because she couldn't keep up with her lies and coke habit when it all came out I'm no longer friends with her
It's a terrible situation, I just can't work out how we will ever solve it though. If you give someone the right to stop others giving birth it could be so easily used in a dangerous way. Maybe a judge could hold the decision in extreme cases and insist on long term contraception.
Midnightflower I carefully phrased my topic so as not to appear desirous of trampling on human rights. However, I do believe that if people are not willing to regulate their own behaviour and breeding there will come a time when the authorities will have to do so.
It is one thing to have several children that are loved and cherished but quite another to have multiple children knowing that as an unfit parent they will be taken into care. Are they just giving the finger to authority, it would seem so. I know I am being judgemental but you only have to look at some of them to see how unfit they are to be parents, some are also special needs but continue to have children who are often deficient in some area of development.
If pushed I would say 'yes, damn human rights in the case of those who blatantly don't care about the rights of their kids or other humans'.
If we don't do something about population soon we will all suffer for it. A smaller population would greatly help to repair all societal problems like medical care, education, energy and food crises etc.
Lynibis I completely agree something needs to be done. But I dont think I would ever trust a politician to be in charge of it. They are neither trust worthy or competant. A judge, social worker, midwife, nurse etc would be far better I think. Half the problems we have are due to silly people in senior jobs making decisions on matters they know nothing about.
What with global warming and this island hugely over-populated it would make sense to motivate people to have less kids. I personally think every family has the right to one child so that should be supported by benefits but above one they should support the children themselves and if they can't do that and rely on the state to look after their kids their pensions should be forfeit and denied NHS treatment. At some point we have to punish those who keep doing the wrong thing and expect the state to pay for it.
The UK needs to massively reduce its population so that we can be self-sufficient in food production. Global warming will cause far more crop failures and we may not be able to rely on imported food. As there becomes less viable land for crops we have to realistically have less people on the planet and the UK should get its own house in order.
All the indications are there so we have to prepare for a situation that may only be 10-20 years away.
BonzoBanana I don't have an exact figure but I can probably count about 12 newborns taken into care in our little area this year so far, possibly more that I don't know about. This is without all those older kids up to 15/16. Just last week a group of 5 siblings came into care and it is heartbreaking to see their distress at the end of contact, although that does fade with time.
I don't understand why drug addicts, abusers, alcoholics who already have kids in care should be allowed to go on reproducing. Offer them sterilisation instead of prison in extreme cases or something like that where appropriate.
I must admit I have reached a stage of total intolerance with those, rich or poor, who have multiple children not giving a damn about the consequences on our planet. They certainly shouldn't be hailed as heroes like a certain northern shepherdess.
BonzoBanana The U.K. is overpopulated, but it's not because of newborns, it's because boats keep arriving everyday and they accept them and house them in hotels.
As for climate change... They better not modify it, oh wait:
PhilipMarc and they too have more children after settling. Population has to be dealt with or there will not be the infrastructure to sustain life in years to come. Even the air will need filtering.
My original topic stands inasmuch as kids in care. We have a new group of 5 siblings who have been wrenched from their parents and each other. The oldest has been placed over an hour away from school and brothers. She has bonded with me as the only constant in her life and I have asked my boss to keep me on her contact runs as she trusts me. She clung to me crying on our last journey when I dropped her off. It breaks my heart what these parents do to their kids and I have even told my boss I will continue to do her runs if allowed after retirement so she is not taken from another person she has bonded with.
PhilipMarc It's for all sorts of reasons probably mainly immigration but you have to create policies to improve the situation. Maybe only financing one child would cause a reduction in immigration.
I work with someone all his siblings went through the care system but they kept having children. I'd say if they get a second child taken into care you have to be sterilised.
Imnotcheap that has always been my opinion. One mistake is acceptable but two children taken away is not. They should be warned about sterilisation after the first one so they are quite clear about the consequences. After all, those children are still in regular contact (unless adopted) and when old enough can still have a parent/child relationship if the child wants it.
The financial cost is astronomical, court, transport, contacts, foster carers, social workers.......It is never ending for years on end......why should the tax payer bear the burden for feckless parents who are sometimes of the lowest life forms.
Lynibis also two of my cousins was adopted one was fine with it the other always struggled and hated his birth parents for ruining his life even though we treated him equally he never felt it
Imnotcheap it is such a shame he regarded it as ruining his life when his life would no doubt have been even worse if left with inadequate parents. He needs to concentrate on what is, not what could have been.
It's a cycle. In my experience you see it happening. Kids grow up with crap parenting by parents and they end up just like their parents. It's awful as you can spot the ones that are going to literally follow their parents footsteps
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